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mother of dragons. ([personal profile] freeing) wrote in [community profile] aefenglom2019-10-08 12:58 pm

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Name: Daenerys Targaryen
Date: Octeuril 8
Format: Video

[ Daenerys had made it quite clear since arriving that she does not trust many. She's spoken out against the Coven in their fear of opposing Dorchacht when slavery was a very serious reality and also wary of how quickly dignitaries were shipped off to take responsibility for something outside of their control. So today, she is visible with a serious expression on her face — although those eyes still have a warmth to them that her closer allies may recognize.

There's no pleasantries, instead: ]


It has been a little bit since many of us have returned from Dorchacht. My bones have settled back into the bed I’ve grown use to, but my mind still wanders. I can not shake a sense of… discomfort after everything, even if my heart is pleased to know we have helped forged a better future for Dorchacht.

However, I ask of you all — how do we feel returning back to this city? How do you feel about the Coven in Aefenglom in their role of this prior month? We have been shown kindness, however we not native here and if it comes between us and their “peace”, I am not foolish enough to put my faith to them. We were sent into a situation that could have ended tragically. I call that irresponsible and it is clear Aefenglom was willing to stay silent keeping peace. There are things the Coven has done, although not quite as enraging as Dorchacht, which leaves me feeling frustrated and wary.

I ask this question not to sway opinion, but to discuss where do we — the ones from the mirrors — go if Aefenglom is no longer the ally we may believe them to be? Having this conversation of where our allegiance lies will help make choices easier – more collective — going forth.

Please, share your thoughts.

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[ HI GUYS. This is a big ole open post for everyone to discuss the shakiness of Aefenglom, Parliament, and the Coven as a whole in regards to the Mirrorbound. I hope to move a plot forward of seeking independence without Aefenglom’s influence in the next few weeks and would love to ICly get talks going so points can be made for why this could be a good or bad thing. I will be refining a plot proposal based upon the feedback ICly brought up here!! I will try to reply to topics relevant to Dany, but this is kind of a springboard for a broader discussion. So go ham, thread jack, etc! ]
digiorno: <user name="peaked"> | dnt (♛ through the mist)

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[personal profile] digiorno 2019-10-08 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
[This is a good post. Liked, subscribed.]

The Coven is naive. As far as I've observed in my time here, they take a hands-off approach in an attempt to facilitate peace, and see the fact that there have been no recent internal upheavals as a sign that ignoring potential conflict is the best approach. The fact that the Coven ignored the warning signs of Morgana's behavior is unconscionable and a clear indication of why inaction is not a functional leadership strategy.

I don't have an answer. But I don't ally myself with the Coven. They're a potential resource, but not a reliable ally by any stretch.
rollfordiplomacy: dns (17)

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[personal profile] rollfordiplomacy 2019-10-08 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
[Everett has many feelings about this topic.

Feelings he doesn't trust to put on a network. Caution is his best bet.

He also writes this more like a handwritten letter than a text message...]


Dear Lady Daenerys,

While I feel your concerns for the future have validity, I must heed us towards gratitude. The Coven has been exceedingly gracious and generous, providing a great deal of resources. Not only the Mirrorbound, but to the refugees who found liberation, as well. It is only respectful to take that support and their trust in us to heart.

The Coven and Aefenglom wish for the Mirrorbound to help them, without demanding so. Do keep in mind that the dignitaries that traveled to Dorchacht did so of their own volition, rather than any requirement. The danger was known and we went willingly towards it.

A warm welcome, the amount of independence we do so enjoy despite being strangers in a strange land... that is not to be scoffed at. The kindness we have been met with is astonishing. I heed you not overlook that.
[he believe all of this, it's no ruse nor lie...

But his loyalty is not unconditional. Skepticism is better left to direct confidence.]


My thoughts said, I'm sure you wish to speak further. I invite you to my cottage, these devices do so confuse me!

[they don't, but it's his excuse to speak in person]

I will set out tea.
battlebound: (20)

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[personal profile] battlebound 2019-10-08 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
What things have they done?

[ forgive the newbie, he is only just learning the ropes of this place. ]
hoboagogo: (Though the world is flawed)

audio; un: aragaki

[personal profile] hoboagogo 2019-10-08 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
[Shinjiro's been staying out of this whole fight, mostly because he doesn't really care about what's going on halfway across a world that he doesn't consider himself part of. But now it's bleeding here and closer to their temporary home. He has zero experience with politics or socioeconomics or any kind of -ics, but he does know what life is like for the people with no say in anything, scrabbling by day by day.

Either way, he just sounds annoyed by it all.]


...Okay, but what do we really expect from 'em? We show up outta nowhere, take their houses and eat their food, don't know a damn thing about the place, and cause a buncha problems for them. Then half the time we just disappear outta existence after a week or two anyway.

They ain't got any reason to care about us. And I'm pretty sure the shit outside the city makes people go crazy, so I dunno where you expect to go and start a new one or whatever.

And whatever went down in that other city, I'm pretty sure you guys all chose to go.
Edited 2019-10-08 19:41 (UTC)
foursakes: (pic#12705133)

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[personal profile] foursakes 2019-10-08 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I do not trust them in the slightest, and it is foolish to assume they have warm intentions threaded between such thin lines. They desire an unspoken trade cloaked under the mask of kindness.

Of what, I wonder, when The Coven, as well as their Parliament, hide what could truly matter to us. What do they do? They do what is most favorable to their own ideas. They allow us to suffer, they force us to change and remove our origins when all could be avoided. I will not suffer along with those willing.

Those who have seen the city of Dorchacht may remember the oppressed and enslaved, and my heart goes out the them.
[ lmao ] They are able beings, now. They have been aided by those who are alien, because Aefenglom has used us. Do you not feel the same weight of their chains? They are no better than the Black City far too many condemn, and we may as well be no better than their willing dogs.

We should not be aligned with such deceptive opportunists. We are our own people.
hoboagogo: (God and Death are none of my concern)

[personal profile] hoboagogo 2019-10-08 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
man what does that even mean? Removing our origins and suffering?

maybe i'm missing some shit but that's kinda dramatic. if we're all suffering i must have been missing it while chilling in a fucking house i didnt pay for.
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[personal profile] foursakes 2019-10-08 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Mind your language. I and others should not be obliged to see your lewd blaspheme sprawled across our watches.

Especially when suffering is involved. Have some decency.
hoboagogo: (See the world in black and grey)

[personal profile] hoboagogo 2019-10-08 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
No. and that's a shitty attempt at question dodging.

still wanna know what suffering you're talking about.
rollfordiplomacy: dns (11)

don't mind me

[personal profile] rollfordiplomacy 2019-10-08 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
[Everett's keen on keeping his mouth shut on further discussion.

... but expect some flowers on your doorstep. Good comment, gave him a chuckle he didn't have to pay for, 10/10.]
hoboagogo: (We'll survive the rain)

Re: don't mind me

[personal profile] hoboagogo 2019-10-08 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
[HE WILL BE SO CONFUSED but ok flowers i guess, thanks pal, if possible he'll plant them, if not they'll just end up in a vase until they die, a perfect metaphor for life itself or something deep he will never be smart enough to realize]
faithlikeaseed: (blind - alarmed)

not here (yet);

[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2019-10-08 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
[excuse myr he's just going to be screaming internally for two solid minutes]
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[personal profile] foursakes 2019-10-08 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Imagine what you’ll say to such suffering when you cannot do something as simple as hold your tongue?

I will not converse about matters serious to me with an unthoughtful heathen. Unless you change your mind, then shoo.
whomthebelltolls: (Have you profited at all?)

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[personal profile] whomthebelltolls 2019-10-08 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
This runs alongside my own thoughts. They could have killed us all there, that first night we arrived. A group of strangers, suddenly appearing in the midst of a besieged city? How did they know we were not foreign invaders? Instead, they welcomed us, they displaced their own citizens when there are already those here living in poverty and illness and squalor, to give us luxurious accommodations. What I disagree with is that they've already proven they care about us.

And what do they want in return? I admit, I don't particularly care for the Coven. They've been kind, but they must be working toward their own objectives with this whole thing. Offering us food, board, employment, and resources is not something to be taken lightly. They've already lied once about the Bonds and the alternatives to them, but considering how soft everyone here runs, was it a bad thing? The Bonds eliminated the old, ingrained mentality that all Monsters must be killed on sight.

This is not something you stomp your feet and gather your toys like a petulant child to go somewhere else over at the first sign of potentially foul weather. If you really want to know what they're up to, why don't we make sure to install others of our own amongst the highest of the Coven and Parliament - to force transparency, if that's what all the paranoia is about, rather than throwing a tantrum.
Edited 2019-10-08 20:19 (UTC)
hoboagogo: (I'm ready for it (Come on bring it))

[personal profile] hoboagogo 2019-10-08 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
probably 'wow that sucks' or something.

really itd probably be a good chance to get people on your side. share your sob story, give a face to the problems, rise up and overthrow the coven or whatever the hell you wanna do.
hoboagogo: (Close your eyes but it won't erase)

[personal profile] hoboagogo 2019-10-08 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
[damn thats such a better worded version of what he said. respect. And also looking up some of those words.]

Not to mention, do we even got a right to change their world? Yeah, we're living here for who knows how long, but end of the day, this aint really about us.

If people wanna get answers, let 'em try, but lets not make this a stupid us-versus-them event.
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[personal profile] wylderrant 2019-10-08 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that's nothing new. People stay silent for all sorts of reasons. I can't say I blame them, considering that we're facing the end of the world or whatever this infection is...

[ There's a bit of a devil-may-care aspect to Iramaat's tone. ]

Banding together to save existence before going haring off seems sensible to me. [ At least until she's personally impacted. ]

Besides, they've given us hospitality and hospitality is... not quite inviolate, but very important. Think before you break it.
digiorno: <user name="peaked"> | dnt (♛ 'cause that's just fuel)

[personal profile] digiorno 2019-10-08 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree. The best way to gather information or instigate change is from within. It remains to be seen how well Mirrorbound representatives would be received, but it's definitely worth a try before anything more radical is done.
Edited 2019-10-08 20:52 (UTC)
digiorno: <user name="peaked"> | dnt (♛ when you're next to me)

[personal profile] digiorno 2019-10-08 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I understand your point on some level, but they did make the choice to treat us as refugees rather than invaders. They could remove the problem whenever they wanted to. Kick us to the Cwyld. Just saying.

[His tone implies he finds this pretty funny, even though it's. Not? Sorry, Shinjiro.]
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[personal profile] rightfoot 2019-10-08 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Suffering? How?

I don't exactly think they care, but that is a lot.
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[personal profile] trouvaille 2019-10-08 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't been here for very long and I don't know most of what you're referring to, but personally I have to think expecting an inconvenience, which seems to be what we are, to be prioritised with the same weight as citizens in the place we're inconveniencing seems at best naive. Sent into a situation that could have ended badly? Sounds like looking for a use for the inconvenience. Which sounds like something that will happen again until one's found.

( she's been here five minutes, but she's been a cynic all her life. )
Edited 2019-10-08 21:07 (UTC)
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[personal profile] digiorno 2019-10-08 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with you.

[For the most part.]

The trouble is that I'm not sure the Mirrorbound are in a position to physically separate from the governing body of this city, even if we were of one mind about doing so. Sometimes unpleasant bedfellows are temporarily necessary for survival, or to strengthen long-term plans.

Which is where I stand, really. The Coven has lied to us and misled us and I don't trust them, but leaving them behind wholesale at this point in time would amount to suicide. They have a lot of answers that we need. I feel we do, in any case.

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